JOURNAL # 11

JOURNAL # 11

Read TS/IS/ Distinguishing What You Say from What They Say pp. 68-75 and underline lines and passages that are interesting (30 min)

Journal (# 11): Explain why the lines and passages you’ve underlined are interesting and/or important in TS/IS? (20 min)

12 thoughts on “JOURNAL # 11

  1. The passages that I had underlined from pages 68-75 were what I thought had help contribute to how to distinguish what you are saying from what the original writer is saying. What this section had done was it had given you ways to help you write while having both you and the original writer but to make sure it is clear with who is saying what. One sentence that I thought was important was on page 69 when it says, “Paying attention to these voice markers is an important aspect of reading comprehension” I thought that this was important for the fact that having voice markers with your point of view can be important in a piece of writing to help add another level to you’re writing. Another sentence that I thought was important was said on page 70 when it states, “To avoid confusion in your own writing, make sure that at every point your readers can clearly tell who is saying what” I think that it is important because it is telling you what the main goal is about.

  2. Something I found interesting was that the chapter was key ways to determine who is talking and how they are talking about the topic. This has always been a struggle for me when reading new things and understanding who was saying what. I have grown to be better at it and following stories but this helped me even more. Something I also found interesting was on page 71, they said “furthermore, if you consistently avoid the first person in your writing, you probably have trouble making the key move addressed in this chapter..” I thought this was interesting because we have always been taught to not us “I” because it is “wrong”. Something I found helpful was that the book gives you explains of each scenario.

  3. The lines I highlighted are interesting because they show you a different way for things. Wording is key in writing in all aspects. On p69 the book talks about Mantsios using “yet” to shift to his own view, talking about the parallelism he uses between the first and second paragraph. You can open up your argument in different ways. Another thing is on p70 when talking about avoiding confusion in your own writing, by using different voice-identifying devices. I thought it was interesting because sometimes when reading I tend to read over to see who is saying what, and there are ways to clear the confusion so people don’t have to do that.

  4. One sentence I found interesting on page 74, it says “When writers fail to use voice making devices like the ones discussed in this chapter, their summaries of others views tend to become confused with their own ideas-and vice versa.” I thought this was interesting because, sometimes when I’m reading its hard to understand who is talking or how to interpret it. It talk abut how you should understand this in writing and use it to make us better writers.

  5. In these few pages of They say I say, I found an interest in what they claimed about using “I” in a well supported argument. Claiming that, “We believe texts using ‘I’ can be just as well supported – or as self-indulgent – as those that don’t.” How I was taught in high school was to avoid any I’s in a paper. Throwing in a first person view would only look unprofessional, claiming that in college that you’ll never use “I.” Now the text is telling me that multiple experience writers have thrown in first person in well supported arguments, claiming there is more than one way to write.

    Reading on, the book talked about the one occasion when “I” shouldn’t be used. They say I say uses the example, “‘ She is correct’ instead of ‘I think that she is correct.'” Showing the not everything should be in first person, which will make the reader disengage from the test due to a lot more unnecessary words being added. I’ve notice doing that in some of my writing in the past but other times saw it reasonable to us I but the teacher would say other wise.

    The book goes over the, “Voice Markers,” to help indicate who is speaking in the text to cause less confusion for the reader. I am glad that they provided a template to use for these “Voice Markers,” for practice. I was interested in how to format the text n new ways that were not taught in high school.

  6. Journal 11

    In this passage it give a template on how tell who saying what in your own writing. This is interesting because I kind of already followed this template before reading it. However, there are different ways I can identify who’s talking in my writings now because of this useful information.(P3P70)

    In this passage it talks about using “I” in your writing. The author encourages you to use “I” so you can connect with your writing more. This is interesting because I always wanted to use “I” but was told not to simply because that’s what my teacher required.(P1P71)

    In this passage it talks about voice marking devices. It’s interesting because it saids “summaries of others’ views tend to become confused with their own ideas-and vice versa.” Which means that if your not clear enough on who’s talking the writer himself might confuse others ideas with his own.(P1P74)

  7. pg. 67-68 I found this interesting because it is something I never knew.

    pg. 69 I found this line interesting because not paying attention to the voice markers will allow the reader to believe what they want to believe. The reader will not properly comprehend what you are trying to say. The reader may think you are expressing how you feel and what you think compared to the actual basic summary with facts not opinions.

    pg. 73 all of this page because it shows how I might normally write something compared to what I should write. “liberals believe that cultural differences need to be respected. I have a problem with this view, however.. ” is an example on how I should properly write to identify that I am speaking.

  8. The first passage I underlined in They Say I Say was about using the word “I” in writing, “Although you may have been told that the “I” word encourages subjective, self-indulgent opinions rather than well-grounded arguments, we believe that texts using “I” can be just as well supported- or just as self-indulgent- as those that don’t (Graff, Birkenstein 71). I found this passage interesting because in high school teachers advised against using “I” in writing but the book says that using this letter in writing can help make arguments as strong as if we did use it.

    The second passage I found interesting and underlined was about when writers don’t use “voice-marking devices”. “When writers fail to use voice-marking devices like the ones discussed in this chapter, their summaries of others’ views tend to become confused with their own ideas- and vice versa. When readers cannot tell if you are summarizing your own views or endorsing a certain phrase or label, they have to stop and think… (Graff, Birkenstein 74). When writers don’t do this the reader fail to understand where the writer’s opinion is they have to stop and question why the writer is thinking this way or they thought the writer would be against this certain view which can become confusing to the reader.

    The third paragraph I underlined was From Julie Charlips writing “A Real Class Act: Something for Identifying in the ‘Classless’ Society”. “How do we define class? Is it an issue of values, lifestyle, taste? Is it the kind of work you do, your relationship to the means of the production? Is it a matter of how much money you earn? Are we allowed to choose? In this land of supposed classlessness , where we don’t have the tradition of English society to keep us in our places, how do we know where we really belong?” (Charlip). I found this interesting because I have never really questioned how we rank class and what makes people of higher society than others other than having money.

  9. The first passage I underlined in They Say I Say was about using the word “I” in writing, “Although you may have been told that the “I” word encourages subjective, self-indulgent opinions rather than well-grounded arguments, we believe that texts using “I” can be just as well supported- or just as self-indulgent- as those that don’t (Graff, Birkenstein 71). I found this passage interesting because in high school teachers advised against using “I” in writing but the book says that using this letter in writing can help make arguments as strong as if we did use it.

    The second passage I found interesting and underlined was about when writers don’t use “voice-marking devices”. “When writers fail to use voice-marking devices like the ones discussed in this chapter, their summaries of others’ views tend to become confused with their own ideas- and vice versa. When readers cannot tell if you are summarizing your own views or endorsing a certain phrase or label, they have to stop and think… (Graff, Birkenstein 74). When writers don’t do this the reader fail to understand where the writer’s opinion is they have to stop and question why the writer is thinking this way or they thought the writer would be against this certain view which can become confusing to the reader.

    The third paragraph I underlined was From Julie Charlips writing “A Real Class Act: Something for Identifying in the ‘Classless’ Society”. “How do we define class? Is it an issue of values, lifestyle, taste? Is it the kind of work you do, your relationship to the means of the production? Is it a matter of how much money you earn? Are we allowed to choose? In this land of supposed classlessness , where we don’t have the tradition of English society to keep us in our places, how do we know where we really belong?” (Charlip). I found this interesting because I have never really questioned how we rank class and what makes people of higher society than others other than having money.

  10. On Page 68 when the writer is talking about being able to know who is speaking in a passage. When students can’t understand the text it may not because they don’t know what it’s saying but because they don’t understand who is saying it and what there view is. Being able to see these subtle hints can help you in challenges given in class.

    On Page 70 you want to be able to make sure your identify who is saying what in your writing. For example if I want to talk about something in Pollan’s animal place I need to be able to use what he said and then give my opinion after. You want to make sure that your readers knows exactly who your referencing and clearly who is saying what. In the passage they also encourage you to say the word “I” which when I was in school they didn’t want you to use. I encourages your self opinion which you need in an essay.

  11. 10-3-18
    Journal #11

    Page 67 Paragraph 1
    “… that readers be able to tell at every point when you are expressing your own views and when you are starting someone else`s.”

    I liked this sentence because I feel that I have a hard time making sure i’m using my voice and not just sounding like the author who i’m referring too. If the readers are confused then your paper is very hard to get through or just makes them stop all together. I underlined it because I felt that this is an important piece of writing when you are talking about your ideas and others.

    Page 71 Paragraph 1 (technically)
    “.. well-supported arguments are grounded in persuasive reasons and evidence, not in the use of nonuse of any particular pronouns.

    In high school we were always told that the only way we could have a well-supported argument was by the pronouns we use and how we sell it. This statement just says that the evidence in your argument is what matters and it just showed me that a lot that I thought I knew wasn’t exactly right. It was helpful in learning to write but there are so many more ways that I can do things to grow my writing style.

  12. Pg. 68, para 3: I think this is important because I’ve noticed in the past writers doing this, but I never knew how to really do it. I think this is an important technique to master because it portrays the writer’s feelings without them directly stating it.

    Pg. 69, para 2: I think this paragraph is important because sometimes readers can misinterpret an author’s beliefs because they are not picking up on this subtle hints. It is important as a reader to catch these because I know I have trouble sometimes, but now it will be easier to recognize. I think once I can do this frequently I will not have as much trouble understanding an author’s viewpoint.

    Pg. 71, para 2: I think this is important because often times I catch myself not using my own ideas or viewpoints in my own essay, and it started to just look like a research paper. Once I began using some of my own ideas, the paper became better for this assignment. It is difficult to use your own ideas sometimes because in high school we were taught to only use third person, and to quote an author if we were using first person, to try and represent our ideas.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

css.php