Journal (# 7)
Journal (# 7): Explain why the lines and passages you’ve underlined are interesting and/or important in TS/IS? (20 min)
Journal (# 7): Explain why the lines and passages you’ve underlined are interesting and/or important in TS/IS? (20 min)
14 thoughts on “Journal (# 7)”
Something I found interesting was on page 50, “…when in doubt, go for it. It is better to risk being overly explicit about what you take a quotation to mean than to leave the quotation dangling and your readers in doubt”. I found this interesting because whenever I quote what another person in saying for a text I feel like I always take too much of the text and I do not even take the important information. After reading this section was interested to hear that it is better to over quote than to leave the reading hanging.
Something I also found interesting while reading was on page 45, “Given the evolving and messy nature of writing, you may sometimes think that you’ve found the perfect quotation to support your argument, only to discover later on, as your text develops, that your focus has changed and the quotation no longer works”. I found this to be interesting because I honestly thought I was the only one to do this while finding a quote or writing a paper.
9-18-18
Journal #7
Page: 43 Paragraph 2
This passage I liked because it described my struggle with putting quotes into my work. I’m always afraid that I will put too little or too much. Then backing it up with my own thoughts I have never been good at. Another problem is never knowing when to add a quote so I just throw one in there because I need it but then never back any of it up because its too short and doesn’t make any sense. Then on the complete opposite I find one quote and just use it for my whole paper and put on sentence after. Mostly this whole passage was something I did a lot.
Page 50 Paragraph 3
I loved this because even though I know i struggle with quotes this basically said just go for it and even if it’s risky you should still take the risk. This gave me hope that it may not be perfect but at least I took a chance at it. It then talks about how we need to say more about how we thought about the quote then the quote itself. Which is true because yes the quote is important but if it’s your paper then why you added it is more important than the quote itself.
9-18-18
Journal #7
Page: 43 Paragraph 2
This passage I liked because it described my struggle with putting quotes into my work. I’m always afraid that I will put too little or too much. Then backing it up with my own thoughts I have never been good at. Another problem is never knowing when to add a quote so I just throw one in there because I need it but then never back any of it up because its too short and doesn’t make any sense. Then on the complete opposite I find one quote and just use it for my whole paper and put on sentence after. Mostly this whole passage was something I did a lot.
Page 50 Paragraph 3
I loved this because even though I know i struggle with quotes this basically said just go for it and even if it’s risky you should still take the risk. This gave me hope that it may not be perfect but at least I took a chance at it. It then talks about how we need to say more about how we thought about the quote then the quote itself. Which is true because yes the quote is important but if it’s your paper then why you added it is more important than the quote itself.
On page 46 when it says “what follows is a typical hit and run quotation by a student responding to an essay by Deborah Tannen, a linguistics professor and prominent author, who complains that academics value opposition over agreement.” I thought that the only way to introduce a quote was to state where and how it relates to the topic being written about.
On page 49 when its talking about blending the Author’s words into your own is a important point when quoting because it’s also called interpretation. This is important because you also can’t copy exactly what is being said.
One sentence that caught my attention was on page 46, it says “To adequately frame a quotation, you need to insert it into what we like to call a “quotation sandwich,” with the statement introducing it serving as the top slice of bread and the explanation following it serving as the bottom slice of bread.” I found this interesting because according to my previous writing experience. I always either dont put enough introduction, or have no introduction for the quotation at all. Furthermore, whenever i quote other person’s word i usually dont explain why do i quote this.
The other part that i found it interesting was on page 49, “and yet though the particular situation usually dictate when and how much to explain a quotation,we will still offer one piece of advice: when in doubt,go for it.” After i know the importance of explaining a quotation i start to wonder will i overanalyze a quotation? After i finish reading this paragraph, i find out that it is better to explain a quotation thoroughly then leave the quotation dangling
Alex Smyth:
They say I say, starts with the importance of quoting someone by, “Giving tremendous amount of credibility to your summary and helps ensure that it is fair and accurate.” Gerald Graff point is that using quotations is of great importance when you are summarizing a claim or story so that the argument or story is fair for others. One common mistake that the book brings up is the overuse and under use of quotes that lead to misleading summarize due to being very little quotes or confusing summaries that don’t explain their quotes and just use a ton of them for just doing it. According to Gerald Graff, ” One teacher we’ve worked with, Steve Benton, called these ‘hit-and-run’ quotations, likening them to car accidents in which the driver speeds away and avoids taking responsibility.” In other words, Gerald Graff believes that most of the quotes that are being used are similar to car accidents due to the lack of responsibility that is shown for the quote that writers pick. By showing where the mistake lies, this opens up a new way to quote their work without being misleading or confusing to to the reader. They say I say is trying to show the correct way to quote to help summarize your points while being fair in what you say.
Journal 7
This passage is important because it talks about how to write an effective argument. It also said that as a writer we need to not just summarize a quotation but to use its exact words to give our writing a lot of credibility. “Use arguments of others into your text” (Graff& Birkenstein 43 p1).
This passage is important because it talks about knowing what to do with your quotations. To many people “select quotations just for the sake of demonstrating that you’ve read the author’s work” (Graff& Birkenstein 44 p3). This is interesting because I use to do this a lot just to make my writing sound beefy.
This passage is important because the author talks about how when writing we need not to know what we’re writing about but to figure it out as you go on. “you may sometimes think that you’ve found the perfect quotation to support your argument, only to discover later on, as your text develop, that your focus has changed and the quotation no longer works” (Graff& Birkenstein 45p1).
I underlined the quote “The point we want to emphasize is that quoting what “they say” must always be connected with what you say” (Grath, Birkenstein 44), because many times when I write and use in-text citations, I will often use quotes about the writer’s opinion and wont express my own thoughts enough. This is an important line because to be a good writer a person must not only be able to explain the writer’s opinion, but also elaborate on their opinion as well. The second sentence I underlined from the book is “When in doubt, go for it. It is better to risk being overly explicit about what you take a quotation to mean than to leave the quotation dangling and your readers in doubt’ (Grath, Birkenstein 50). I think this is an important sentence because when I write I tend to fail to elaborate a quote. To over analyze will be a better way for me, as a writer, to communicate better with my readers and help them understand where my point of view is on a quote or how I interpreted it. It will also allow the reader to understand the quote more in depth.
ALex Case
English
On page 43, in the second paragraph it talks about taking a quote and putting it related to what you’re talking about. I thought that this was a good paragraph to zero in on because we have been talking about taking quotes from the text and supporting it with our evidence. The more evidence you have for the quote to back it up would not necessarily make the answer better it is the support that you have from the quote to make your point get across.
Also on page 43 the first paragraph talks about arguing with someone about a quote. Sometimes it is better to argue with a quote that someone may have put in the text to maybe try to get the right understanding of the way the author wanted to use it. If you use arguments of others in your text then you can get another point of view from someone that could benefit both people.
ALex Case
English
On page 43, in the second paragraph it talks about taking a quote and putting it related to what you’re talking about. I thought that this was a good paragraph to zero in on because we have been talking about taking quotes from the text and supporting it with our evidence. The more evidence you have for the quote to back it up would not necessarily make the answer better it is the support that you have from the quote to make your point get across.
Also on page 43 the first paragraph talks about arguing with someone about a quote. Sometimes it is better to argue with a quote that someone may have put in the text to maybe try to get the right understanding of the way the author wanted to use it. If you use arguments of others in your text then you can get another point of view from someone that could benefit both people.
The lines that I had underline/ highlighted were what I thought were important to the reading. I had gone through and read the reading a couple times and I had highlighted the main ideas of each page that the reading was trying to have the reading get to the reader. The main idea of reading was to help the reader understand how to insert a quote to your writing, it also gave the reader an idea as to how that writers get stuck and make quotes into their own words and that they have a tendency to not follow the rules of inserting a quote to your writing. I feel like the quotes I had underlined were important for the fact that it gives you the steps to help make your writing better and how to place quotes.
While reading TS/IS something I found interesting on page 44 was quitting relevant passages. They are saying how when you finally have a quote you need to have a plan on what to do with it. The quote you pick needs to have supporting evidence of what you are trying to argue. Also finding relevant is not always easy and it takes time to find that perfect quote because sometime you can be arguing one thing an later have your whole focus shifted to something else.
On page 49 the writer talks about making sure that when your quoting you need to have your words blend with your own and make it relevant to your argument. You are still quoting the author for his work but then giving your take on the matter.
While reading TS/IS on page 44 I found when they talked about quoting relevant passages interesting. It hard to find quotes but it’s even harder to find quotes that relate to your exact argument. You want to be able to find a quote that meets what you are trying to say because you may have a quote but then later change your whole focus to something else and your left with an irrelevant quote. Also when you are devoted to what your writing and engaged there is a lot of going back and forth between your argument and any quotes you have.
On Page 49 the writer talks about on how to blend your words with the authors words. People will insert a quote then explains what it means but not explain how it relates to your argument and use their own words. You do want to talk about the quote but at the same time give your own spin on it and your opinion.
I underlined “ quotations function as a kind of proof of evidence” because it changed the way I use quotes. It is easy to just throw a quote in and show that I’ve read the author’s work, but I’ve learned to use quotes as a compliment to my argument, as well as clearly explaining the meaning to the reader. Another line I like is on page 45, paragraph one about half way down the page and it begins at “you may sometimes thinking…”. I really like this sentence because it relates back to me when sometimes I think I’ve found the perfect quote, but then later on it doesn’t work anymore. I think that once I know my argument, then I can begin to look for quotes that relate to it because in the past I usually get quotes and then come up with my argument. I thought an important concept I never have used before, on page 47 “… follow-up statements should explain why you consider the quotation important and what you take it to say”. The second part of this segment is important because previously I wasn’t allowed to say what I thought about ideas, I had to use third person. I like this way much better because it helps me to reflect on myself to get new views and consider applying it to my own life, as well as better understand something if I don’t fully get it.